Note: This analogue list is not complete and just includes the bulk of the most
important TD tapes in my TDC. I'm always adding and upgrading to it (the num-
ber of times of upgrades and how many source tapes are not always listed either,
btw). Also, this entire list (99%), is pre-Internet! However, now that I finally have
Pentium power, things will change dramatically and soon, TD wise of course! ~lol~
(Royal Albert Hall)
UG/L FM 8
Santa Monica, CA
UG/L 9 (8)
Note: some list "Usher Hall." I've changed
this back to "Albert Hall" as we now have
some TD diehard eyewitness confirmation.
Besides, it's now officially printed on the
Tadream Tree project thus listed... ;-)
Source tape: Ferric Oxide.
Note: two versions with
11/16/76 (62 & 63)
2nd gen EX-
(Palais du Sport)
1st gen VG+/EX-
03/31/77 ( 110*)
Note: two versions FM original
and the FM re-broadcast.
New York, NY
(Avery Fisher Hall)
2nd gen VG+/EX-
(Place des Art)
3rd gen FM EX-
2nd gen (EX)
(partial tape selections, selected encores and bits & pieces):
"Ultima Thule" outtake.
Note: from CDR / FM source.
OST: Gerndenus bis zm Morgen
Note: from CDR source.
(RIAS - FM)
Klangcollage with "Ashra
Temple" 1972 (20).
circa 1972-73 (35).
from the Chicester Festival
(BBC - "Top Gem")
introduced by DJ John Peel.
(Broadcast interview & encore)
Note: an extract.
(Pabellon Deportiro Marcol)
Note: this is a selected encore
extract (digitally enhanced).
San Francisco, CA
(KZSC - FM)
Note: The first 31 minutes playable without any
distortion in the 1st set. BTW: this venue date
was_confirmed_by Bob Forman who was there.
He in fact looked it up in the newspaper to ver-
ify the date. Paul Fellows still list it as 11/20.
So, I'll ask him what proof does he have such
as a ticket stub with 11/20 printed on it, etc.
OST: "Vision Quest"
1984 session/demo tape
(taken from "Crazy for Dream").
OST: Metropole Berlin
The TDI Website Easter Island
Contest (rough edit copy) 1997
(eleven & one-half minutes).
As with the Solomon collection TD master tape list, where I may partially disagree
with the ratings as given, or simply they were not given in the original text due to the
fact all his TD tapes are also not listed (!), my redefined assignment are given within parenthesis. This also includes the ratings for the tapes that are not listed by any of the
source quotes. Additionally, the true total times of all the tapes and a proper assign-
ment of sound quality (strictly using a one to ten scale), to be included in my TD
Master Tape List that I'll be diligently working on in the near future.
In this generation tape list that I've extrapolated from the source quotes, I've simply
estimated the times of the shows and included a single asterisk to indicate the shows
that contain the complete encores. Incidentally, in the partial list of Solomon's tapes
a double asterisk after the date indicates that I have the encore or filler, but *not* the
complete show (at this time). Also, a single asterisk solely indicates that I have the
show in full. BTW: All the cassette's listed here are either Maxell XL-II or XL-IIS
(chrome Cr02) unless otherwise specified.
For conformity of this accounting, I've continued to use the rating system established by
Bruce (VG/EX). The updated listing from the Lars Jones collection has yet to be fully
rated. However, on the whole the sound quality is exceptional (there is one that I wonder
why he even made -- I'll check I think it's Providence, RI, 06/27/86). The gen numbers
have been taken directly from the source quotes. Simply add one gen for my copy and
one further gen for copies being made or transferred, etc. At some point that too will
change when I'm able to upgrade to a Tascam Pro CDR player/recorder. Clearly, I'll
start the old fashioned way (what I know best), and first do it via the audiophile method.
BTW: Sometimes, Bruce lets me borrow from his analogue masters for special transfers.
Unless stated, all of the fan tapes are considered as audience tapes (AD),
if not otherwise expressed.
The Columbus show at the Palace Theater on 10/14/92 is a duplicate tape.
The copy from CH is from a DAT recording and sounds quite tinny (it lacks
a great middle). Also, the shows from Brighton (06/10/76), Washington DC
(04/04/77), Palast der Republik (01/30/80), Brussels (10/13/80), Preston
(11/05/80), Sydney (02/22/82), Berlin ICC (11/15/82), and Santa Monica
(11/22/80), are duplicated from the Horn, Solomon & Jones collections.
The definitive versions are from Solomon & Jones. I have three different
copies of Tokyo (06/23/83). The chrome version (complete with encores),
from Bruce is the best.
Although, the PDR (01/31/80), of "White Cloths" is a well known cassette tape
boot (only later was it transferred to CDRs), I thought to add it here anyway. For
a number of years, Chris (Horn) had the best copy and not until the FM transcript-
ion tape was finally transferred did it become second place, etc. I prefer to keep
my TD boots completely separated from this pure ~analogue~ section. Otherwise,
it becomes polluted with just about everything with CDRs, clones of CDRs, clones
of clones, boots (in any form), and original boots. 'nuff said!
AD = Audience
FM = Frequency Modulation
MC = Metal cassette
SB = Soundboard
TV = Television
UG = Unknown generation
UG/L = Unknown generation / (clearly) low
Also, occasionally you'll see (90/105). This means that I have the first 90
minutes and there exist an encore to be filled (I'll eventually get it all from
Bruce -- don't worry). ~lol~
Special Trade Conditions:
There are five shows from the Solomon list that require special circumstances
for trade. Don't worry, Bruce is an old friend and I'll be softening him up very
shortly now. He's gonna cry when he hears: "Coefficient of Aural Expansion"
& "Ruby in the Sky!" They are:
Brussels, Belgium (02/09/76), 1st gen.
Paris, France (11/22/76), 1st gen.
Seattle, WA (04/21/77), 2nd gen.
Paris, France (02/08/81), 1st gen.
Osaka, Japan (06/28/83), 1st gen.
Note: This was all written in stone well before the
Tadream Tree project, Now the source for some
of the above shows are known and next up is Paris
(Tad-tree #3). We (Bruce & I) hope to be making
our contributions to this wonderful TD diehard fan
The original CD (boots), DAT or analogue tape are transferred then the binary
code is fed into a computer and then processed into a CD-R burner. All done
via the computer using special software, etc.
I've added this here as I noticed when I finally got on the Internet that only a few
of these were listed in the TD bootleg track listings. These were made by a TD
fan (an audio engineer and computer whiz), and had limited circulation. I have
almost all of them except one (the first SIR Theater disc #01). Here now for
the first time is the complete list (in the order made and received):
"Prayer of Quiet Dreams" (boot CD), binary transfer.
"3 Tier Dreams" (boot CDs), three disc set which includes Analogue
Days, Digital Times & Parisian Dreams.
London, UK (Royal Albert Hall), 04/02/75. BBC / DAT private TD
fan FM recording analogue to DAT transfer.
Berlin, East Germany (Palast der Republik), 01/31/80. FM source
and two disc were produced, the second version is titled "Bergamo"
is fully indexed & features a much sweeter sound (removal of bass
Cologne, Germany (03/29/86) FM source analogue transfer.
Ventura, CA (11/01/92) analogue transfer (two disc set). Two sets
were produced, the second version is fully indexed and features a
terrific sound (removal of bass frequency and low rumble).
Hollywood, CA (SIR Theater), 07/12/95 analogue transfer. Two disc
were produced, the second version is fully indexed and improves the
sound quality as actually presented at the show (I was there, so I can
fully attest to it!). BTW: TD was using a sub-standard sound system
on that night (see the SIR Theater technical report now the next link)
posted in the old Majordomo V16 #709 (07/23/99), Re: D: Live Week
40. This CDR features the removal of bass frequency and low rumble.
Also, includes bonus tracks.
Berlin, Germany (ICC), 11/15/82 and Logos tour from analogue sound-
board (a gift from Edgar Froese to the late TD fan Peter Gyrgorcewicz).
Two disc were produced, the second one is fully indexed and features
zero-gap indexing. IMHO this was the best recording until the boot
"Logos Type" was released.
Sydney, Australia (Regent Theater). 02/22/82. FM analogue.
The entire first set plus excerpts from the 2nd set.
New Haven, CT (Palace Center), 09/09/88. The 2nd set. Part Two
from soundboard analogue transfer and fully indexed. Also contains
four bonus tracks. (*)
New Haven, CT (Palace Center), 09/09/88. The 1st set (aka: "Spherical
Harmonics One" - SHO). This one features Edgar's guitar solo digitally
repaired (fixing the glitch), soundboard to analogue transfer and fully
Berlin, East Germany (Palast der Republik), 01/31/80. From the after-
noon show FM analogue transfer and fully indexed. Title: "Bergama."
"Danger Live" Part Two. (note: this is not the boot). Includes the show
excerpts from Brussels (02/09/76) AD excerpt and encore, and composition
from Berlin, Germany (Philharmonic Hall), 06/27/76. AD and FM analogue
to DAT transfer and fully indexed.
Brussels, Belgium (Cirque Royal), 10/13/80. Analogue to DAT
transfer (this is the condensed CDR single version in which the 2nd
set transitional piece is cut short to present "Silver Scale" and the
"Thief" extract "Scrap Yard" in full. Title: "Nostrasgram" and is fully
indexed. Note: I disagree with the rating assigned in TD Boot Track
listings. This comes from an analogue to DAT transfer of a Solomon
1st gen copy.
Seattle, WA (Paramount Theater), 04/21/77. Analogue to DAT
transfer and fully indexed.
Berlin, Germany (Werner Seelenbinder Hall). 02/02/90. FM
analogue to DAT transfer fully indexed (two disc set).
London, UK (Shepherds Bush Empire), 11/30/96. Analogue
transfer to CDR (two disc set). Features the 1st and 2nd sets
and is fully indexed.
These are just a few hand picked TD diehard links that all have something
in common with Tangerine Dream ~live~ in concert... Each one is a true
specialty all to itself. Instead of describing each one, I'll just let you surf
them and see for yourself the complexities of what it truly means to be a
real true & loyal full blue "TD diehard!" ~lol~
John Burek & Mark Schaffer
~This is ZebbyWorld~
(your choice of frames or no-frames version)
Note: All of the URL links above have been corrected
& verified... Apparently, Heiko's superb "Complete
TD Concert Lists" was not 100% correct -- he'll never
*forgive* me! ~lol~ Also, Jeffrey's (ColdwaterCanyon),
& the TD Bootleg Track Listings websites unfortunately
appear both down. :-(
Well, there you have it! Not complete by any means and my first basic "rough draft."
BTW, It takes three times this size (using single line entries) or more to fully describe
the published works of my TDC. ;-) Four times if I add the *unpublished* TD works!
~lol~ It's my life's work and I have absolutely_*NO*_ plans to ever STOP. ~ROFL~
My Best Always,
-- Al (the TD's pal)
Berkeley, CA / USA
(lifelong TD diehard)